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[1145pm]

Can I have a sec?

[ Tatara, standing in the midst of it all, raises his hand to get everyone's attention. This could have been left in the real sage's hand, or decision left to the native Northern wizard in their midst, but that doesn't feel right to Tatara. This feels like his and his wizards' responsibility to deal with, and maybe they're not technically obligated to each other anymore, they're still bound together by circumstance...at least until they decide what to do with this guy. ]

Here's what we know.

This is Victor, formerly a researcher as a part of the Western army. He was leading an expedition in the East in search of some kind of lab, where he accidentally tripped the defenses and set off an explosion. The explosion killed all his men, and shortly afterwards, the original sage's wizards and sage went missing. There might've been a moon fragment in the lab, and the explosion might've also been magical in nature. Either way, that incident affected the sage's wizards specifically, and reports of things going more wrong than usual began to flood in afterwards.

[ He knows, because he had to field those!

He looks up to the sky. Above, he sees one figure on a broomstick, silhouetted by the moon, approaching. This doesn't bother him, and he looks back down to his own wizards. ]

Word of his involvement with the explosion got to the top of the Western army and he was fired. It seems his guilt and anger over the whole thing led him to build this, [ he gestures at the mech ] and attack us specifically.

We've put together the old sage, [ he gestures at the plain-looking young man, who waves ] which means the old wizards are back now somehow, [ he gestures at Mithra, who looks at him blankly ] so we've solved that problem.

That said, that doesn't change what Victor's done, and it doesn't change that he's harmed a lot of us and was intent on harming even more. We need to decide what to do with him. Give me your input, and we'll think it over. Try to keep conversation to a minimum.

[ shrimp victor again and he'll krill you ]

For the record, I would rather avoid bloodshed. [ There's a faint woosh of air as the visitor on the broomstick silently lands beside Tatara—his white hair gleams softly in the moonlight, and his blue eyes shine with kind intelligence. He's dressed well, holds himself with poise, and he looks at all the alien wizards with awe and curiosity. Tatara turns to smile at him, and he smiles back. ] And I don't want to undermine all the progress the original wizards have made towards human-wizard relationships.

So vote wisely.

[leewards]

[Ithaqua opens his mouth to talk, before blinking and closing his mouth, brow furrowing as he looks at the young wizard. When he realizes he knows that magical signature, surprise is all over his face before he clears his throat and schools his expression.]

Since you dislike bloodshed, [which he grumbles over but will relent,] then make it so he'll never be able to perform any of his old duties ever again.

He has delusions of grandeur-- the worst punishment to mete out to someone like that is to allow them to continue living in society, but remove all their ability to influence it. To interact with it. Ruin his reputation that the West shall consider him an everlasting shame even when he's dead and gone.

Remove his ability to speak, perhaps. Certainly, remove his ability to create machines ever again.

[Then he dispels his outfit, and returns to his normal fare-- though missing the stilts because he wasn't wearing them when the manor collapsed.]

[impacter]

[Hello, he is fresh from feeding the local Mithra.]

As I stated earlier, my concern is less what he intended to do to us out of petty revenge and more what he intended to do afterwards. The implications of his actions towards not just us, but to Central and the royal family, as well as the intent to obtain and use the mana stones of the most powerful wizard in existence for his own personal benefit and wave it under the flag of his own country makes him an enormous risk. If he had been successful, that level of power could easily have caused just as much destruction in selfish hands as it could have fueled his grandeur for taking over the Calamity on his own.

While I understand that the relations built with wizards are tense, his choices as an individual, wizard or human or otherwise, makes him a political concern to the entirety of this place, not just to the West and Central, and not just to the Sage and their wizards.

My vote is to hand him over to the royals for detainment and appropriate punishment. The political ramifications can't be ignored, nor can they be simplified. I don't favor what a kill would do to the strain between West and Central, and I think too much mercy will just be letting this problem loose for our predecessors to deal with unfairly. So leave him to the authority of those who would have been saddled the most with his clumsy assassination attempt.

[lustro]

[ He turns his head slightly in Solomon's direction and wonders why Solomon didn't hesitate to threaten Mika - and, apparently, at one point, Ginger's own head was an option (misunderstanding?)(???) - but killing this human doesn't sound like it's an option... ]

[shadowkin]

I mean, I don't really care what you do with him? But there's going to be plenty of people out for his blood.

[Just! To point that out!! Isn't it kind of a pain to keep him alive once you get to a point.]

It's also kind of impressive how many things he managed to screw up by accident... You really can't underestimate anybody with a lab and a dream. So like, if you're going to keep him around, you better find a good babysitter.

[He'd actually make a fun souvenir for Eta, now that he thinks about it, but he doesn't think 'take the dude home as a souvenir' is going to be an option most people will jive with, so Cid decides to keep that one under his bonnet.]

[revengier]

[ The vengeance desiring, mafia boss side of him thinks it would be easier to kill him now, but… ]

Let the authorities deal with him. I believe that’s the best means of ensuring he doesn’t endanger anyone else while also allowing us to avoid undoing any of the improvements in human-wizard relations. I’ve seen how poor the relationship is firsthand enough times to know I’d rather not leave them to deal with it worsening.

[serenesinker]

I don't think hurtin' or killin' him is the answer. That much is clear! However, there's a whole lotta damage he caused, both directly and indirectly. At the bare minimum, I think he should help rebuild the manor. Maybe with more direct interactin' with wizards, it'll soften his grudge a tad.

[lustro]

[ Ginger’s not usually this involved in human affairs. For what he is and how the systems in his world work, he’d rather just leave it to the humans to deal with this thing. Humans aren’t the only ones involved, however - this world shares itself with wizards, too. And Ginger is technically a wizard now and he does plan on staying here… ]

I’m told there are no wizard laws, which is ridiculous that there are no checks in place when this manner of power is available. I suggest we start making some today.

As for that guy, he’ll only truly understand what he’s done if he can feel the effects. Seeing is not enough - he’s clearly delusional. I think we should curse him to feel every blow he’s dealt to others. Every injury we’ve sustained today, he’ll feel again and again. And it’ll only stop when he’s truly remorseful.

That leaves everything up to him. His hurts are by his own hand, his release will be by his own heart.

[leewards]

[Gives a thumbs up. Ginger, he likes your style.]

[troublereduction]

[ Day's raising his eyebrows for a moment, though he's not saying anything. ]

[troublereduction]

Still standin' by what I said earlier. Hand him over to the powers that be and let them decide how to punish him.

Even puttin' aside his dumb stunt attackin' the manor, he's done enough stuff that'd get him into deep shit. Like stealin' from the army and, oh, an even dumber plot to kill Central's royal family and Oz. He's already set himself up for an arduous road ahead, whether or not we'll be 'round for it, and I think livin' to taste it is worthy punishment for him.

More seriously, I don't know enough about the politics to say for sure how killin' him would go over, 'sides "messily, prob'ly", and it ain't fair if our actions are held against the original wizards. If the powers that be decide his actions are punishable by death, that's just how things shook out. I just don't think it's worth dirtyin' our hands with the blood of a moron who couldn't take responsibility.

[fallingsand]

I mean, he technically attacked Central since that's where we are, right? Let's just hand him over to Central, then. They should deal with it.

[ However that might turn out for Victor, it'll at least be out of sight and out of mind for them at that point. ]

[foresightis2020]

[ Tempted to give a very shitposty answer and I can guarantee you that so is Jing Yuan. But he will restrain himself, even though he unhex'd himself by now (14)

Seriousness comes upon him all the same, because he is not a man who falters in his decisions. If Tatara is asking for his opinions on his ultimate fate he will not mince words; he is also admittedly mildly surprised about it. Nonetheless, he cares about keeping the peace, and cares about order as well. Balance must be maintained. ]

The man has committed a variety of crimes, including conspiracy to kill royalty, undermine its rule, dispose of Oz, as well as attempting to kill the present and past Sage, alongside all others residing in the manor. Though you have no stomach for bloodshed, his crimes justify an immediate death sentence.

You do not have to witness it nor deal it personally. It can be dealt with here as little witnesses as possible, or by the authorities themselves. I would ensure that those involved are a trustworthy sort who would be eager to carry out their duty post-hate. Not to mention, a detailed report on his activities made to the authorities in every little underhanded activity he has participated in. Even by the nature of this land, I believe that what he has done would merit such punishment, to that end no one will wish to champion him. Therefore, such a judgment would not only be fitting for a detestable man, it would be apt.

All the same, if you still find yourself unwilling to bend...

[ At the very least, no one can say Jing Yuan is not an unreasonable man. ]

...I would also be amenable to Ginger's suggestion as well.

I am confident that going easy on him will be setting a horrid example. If we are in charge of his fate, we must ensure that he is dealt with accordingly, for the sake of the people here, and for those of us who had suffered for his irrehensible actions. We must not make the mistake of being lenient and adequately punish him for the severity of his crimes.

[impacter]

[Damn jy's pissed off, good for him]

[fellheart]

A ᴘɪᴛʏ. Hᴇ ʟᴏᴏᴋs ɴᴏ ʟᴇss ᴇᴅɪʙʟᴇ ɴᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴀɴ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʜᴇ'ᴅ ʙᴇᴇɴ ᴀ sʜʀɪᴍᴘ, ʙᴜᴛ I'ᴠᴇ ɴᴏ ɪɴᴛᴇʀᴇsᴛ ɪɴ ʀᴇʟɪᴠɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴏsᴇ ғᴇᴡ ᴍɪɴᴜᴛᴇs.

[ grima yawns a little, letting his jaw gape open for a moment, many, many sharp teeth on display, before snapping it shut. robin simply arches his neck and tilts his head to let the full weight of his gaze pin the poor fool called victor byron (and anyone nearby) before speaking again. ]

Hᴇ's ᴀɴ ɪᴅɪᴏᴛ. Hᴇ ʙʟᴀᴍᴇs ᴜs ғᴏʀ ʜɪs ᴍɪsғᴏʀᴛᴜɴᴇs ᴡʜᴇɴ ᴛʜᴇ ᴛʀᴜᴛʜ ɪs ᴛʜᴀᴛ ɪғ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ's ᴀɴʏ ᴄᴏᴍᴘᴇᴛᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇ ʜᴀᴅ ɪɴ ᴛʜᴇ Wᴇsᴛᴇʀɴ Mᴀɢɪᴛᴇᴄʜ Aʀᴍʏ ᴀᴛ ᴀʟʟ ʜᴇ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʙᴇᴇɴ ɪɴᴏ̨ᴜɪʀᴇᴅ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ, ᴏʜ, ᴀʟʟ ᴏғ ʜɪs ᴍɪssɪɴɢ ᴍᴇɴ ᴇᴠᴇɴᴛᴜᴀʟʟʏ, ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ʀᴇsᴜʟᴛɪɴɢ ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛ ᴍᴀʀᴛɪᴀʟ ᴛᴏ ᴘᴜᴛ ᴀʟʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴏssᴇs ᴏɴ ʀᴇᴄᴏʀᴅ ᴇsᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟʟʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ᴀᴘᴘᴀʀᴇɴᴛʟʏ ᴡᴀsɴ'ᴛ ᴀɴʏ ᴘʟᴀɴɴᴇᴅ ᴍɪʟɪᴛᴀʀʏ ᴀᴄᴛɪᴏɴ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴏᴜᴛᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄᴏᴜʀsᴇ ᴏғ ʜɪs ᴘᴏᴏʀʟʏ ᴘʟᴏᴛᴛᴇᴅ ᴏᴜᴛ ᴅᴇᴄɪsɪᴏɴs ᴀɴʏᴡᴀʏ.

[ since he apparently was doing it on his own without oversight or approval. at least, from the way he was talking it seemed that way. and getting every single person who might have possibly ever been your friend or have backed you up killed: now what's that we call Fucking Up™.

imagine dying because of someone like that and only ranking as an afterthought in the man's self-absorbed tale of woe and misery. sniveling cur. ]

Hᴇ ᴛᴀᴋᴇs ᴅɪsᴍɪssᴀʟ ᴡɪᴛʜ ɴᴏ ɢʀᴀᴄᴇ, ᴄᴏᴍᴍɪᴛᴛɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴇғᴛ ᴏғ ᴍɪʟɪᴛᴀʀʏ ʀᴇsᴏᴜʀᴄᴇs ᴏɴ ʜɪs ᴡᴀʏ ᴏᴜᴛ, ᴀɴᴅ ʜᴇ's ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ᴄᴏɴғᴇssᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ʏᴇᴛ ᴀɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀ ᴘᴏᴏʀʟʏ ᴛʜᴏᴜɢʜᴛ ᴏᴜᴛ ᴘʟᴀɴ ᴛᴏ ᴋɪʟʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʀᴏʏᴀʟ ғᴀᴍɪʟʏ. Tʜᴇ ᴍᴀɴ ʜᴀs ᴛʜᴇ ɪᴍᴘᴜʟsᴇ ᴄᴏɴᴛʀᴏʟ ᴏғ ᴀ ᴛᴏᴅᴅʟᴇʀ ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇɴᴛɪᴛʟᴇᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴏғ ᴏɴᴇ ᴡɪᴛʜ ɴᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇxᴄᴜsᴇs ᴛʜᴇ ʟᴀᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴅᴏᴇs ғᴏʀ ʜɪs ʙᴇʜᴀᴠɪᴏʀ.

I sᴛᴀɴᴅ ʙʏ ᴡʜᴀᴛ I sᴀɪᴅ ᴇᴀʀʟɪᴇʀ: ᴀɴ ɪɢɴᴏʙʟᴇ ғᴏᴏʟ ᴅᴇsᴇʀᴠᴇs ᴀɴ ɪɢɴᴏʙʟᴇ ᴇɴᴅ. Hᴇ ᴅᴏᴇsɴ'ᴛ ᴡᴀʀʀᴀɴᴛ ᴛʜᴇ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇ ᴍᴀʀᴛʏʀɪɴɢ ʜɪᴍ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ɢʀᴀɴᴛ ʜɪᴍ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ɪғ ᴏɴʟʏ ɪɴ ʜɪs ᴏᴡɴ ᴍɪɴᴅ, sᴏ ᴡʜᴇᴛʜᴇʀ ʜᴇ ʀᴏᴛs ɪɴ ᴜᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴏʙsᴄᴜʀɪᴛʏ ɪɴ sᴏᴍᴇ ᴘʀɪsᴏɴ ᴄᴇʟʟ sᴏᴍᴇᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪɴ ᴇɪᴛʜᴇʀ Gʀᴀɴᴠᴇʟʟᴇ Cᴀsᴛʟᴇ ᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇ Wᴇsᴛ, ɪs ᴜɴᴄᴇʀᴇᴍᴏɴɪᴏᴜsʟʏ ᴘᴜᴛ ᴜɴᴅᴇʀ ᴇxᴇᴄᴜᴛɪᴏɴᴇʀ's ʙʟᴀᴅᴇ, ᴏʀ ɪs ʟᴇғᴛ ᴛᴏ ᴡᴀɴᴅᴇʀ ᴡʜɪʟᴇ sᴛʀɪᴘᴘᴇᴅ ᴏғ ᴀɴʏ ɪɴғʟᴜᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴏʀ ʀᴀɴᴋ ᴏʀ ɢᴇɴᴇʀᴀʟ ɢᴏᴏᴅᴡɪʟʟ ʜᴇ ᴍɪɢʜᴛ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴏɴᴄᴇ ᴘᴏssᴇssᴇᴅ... I sᴀʏ ᴡᴇ ʜᴀɴᴅ ʜɪᴍ ᴏᴠᴇʀ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄʟᴏsᴇsᴛ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴛʜɪs ʀᴇᴀʟᴍ ʜᴀs ᴛᴏ ᴀ ᴄᴇɴᴛʀᴀʟ, ᴜɴɪғʏɪɴɢ ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀɪᴛʏ.

[ a pause. ]

Tʜᴀᴛ sᴀɪᴅ, ɪғ ᴡᴇ ᴅᴏ ɴᴏᴛ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ғᴀɪᴛʜ ɪɴ ᴀɴʏ ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀɪᴛʏ's ᴀʙɪʟɪᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴍᴇᴛᴇ ᴏᴜᴛ ᴀɴ ᴀᴘᴘʀᴏᴘʀɪᴀᴛᴇ ᴅᴇᴄɪsɪᴏɴ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇ ɪɴᴄʟᴜsɪᴏɴ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ᴏғғᴇɴsᴇs ᴀɢᴀɪɴsᴛ ʜɪs ᴏᴡɴ ᴋɪɴᴅ, ᴛʜᴇɴ Gɪɴɢᴇʀ's sᴜɢɢᴇsᴛɪᴏɴ ʜᴀs sᴏᴍᴇ ᴍᴇʀɪᴛ ᴀs ᴡᴇʟʟ.

[divineth]

[It always comes down to political ramifications, doesn't it... /stares at FFXIV.]

I am in favor of surrendering him to Central, on the condition that it may be assured that he shall ne'er again have an opportunity to carry out such destruction. Much as I would hope otherwise, I am wary of his ability to learn from what hath happened this day.

[dyingtohealyou]

[And now everyone knows why the guy was such a pain in the ass to talk to. You're all welcome for extracting what info he could, back at the party.]

My vote's handing him over to Central. The more info we can provide on everything he's said, the better. The West can just deal with the political rammifications of one of their men meddling in other countries' affairs, and maybe it'll even slow them down on doing any of that, themselves.

[He still doesn't like the West, can you tell.]

That said, considering his crimes, I'm not so sure that's saving his life? Pretty sure stealing from the military is enough to get him executed in the West, assuming all the stuff he did here doesn't get him executed by Central.

[So, yeah, good luck with that bloodless Sage run Tatara...? Not that he's even still Sage anymore.]

Are we not allowed to hex him and turn him in?

[Also noticing that new wizard fly in and peering at him warily. They're multiplying.............]

[lighthaus]

[ khun's chilling next to tatara, sitting on top of his lighthouse which is floating just barely above the ground. he's been listening after he retired from his interrogation duties with a mixture of amusement and exasperation peppered between a neutral expression as other people had their turn. ]

Keeping politics in mind, my vote is to hand him over to Central, but I would stipulate that his fate is decided not solely by the current acting ruler given his amiability with the West. Giving him to Western Country would just result in a show of punishing him and I'm sure they would find some use for him in their research one way or another, even if it's just fodder. And for those of you concerned with justice and peace, I don't think that's what you want.

[ he is not one of those people, obviously. ]

The only approach I take issue with is cursing him, torturing him or anything that's similar. It doesn't accomplish anything other than soothe egos and makes the optics around wizards worse—it'd be simpler to just kill him if you want him to suffer at our hands. Expecting him to repent from his heart is a waste of time.

[themanwhoerasedhisname]

Turn him in to Central.

[Easy answer to give, really. There have been times where he had been on the verge of crossing a line, when someone he's dealing with has been needlessly cruel or affected so many people, but at the end of the day, that'd only worsen things. Turning him in will have to be the answer he gives]

[dadsandals]

[ Yamato's had his fun with the Shrimp, but his anger towards this guy still persists. He's sure the same applies for many of the others here. He meant what he said, though, about not really caring about what happens to him, but he'll contribute to the majority vote since he agrees that perhaps Central will know how to deal with him adequately. He doesn't really have much else to add that hasn't already been said by those who said the same. ]

Send him to Central.

[ He looks at Victor and says it with an uncharacteristically dark expression that reads, "You're lucky you're even alive right now."

Otherwise, he decides not to provide an explanation, as he's decided he will spare no words – none – for an insignificant pest. ]

[fullspbar]

[ Hardly the political nor negotiating sort, Shinjiro has largely kept quiet through the natter and chatter, opting to watch the goings-on with a sharp eye instead. He's pissed, irritated, even, but he's kept a surprising cool head through the whole thing.

That's why he lets other people speak with their louder voices first, arms crossing against his chest. ]

Hand'em over to Central. [ gruff and curt. ] Making some ground rules for handing him over's fine, if they agree to it. But locking him up for it sounds like a fate worse than death for a guy going on about his usefulness.

[ He can sort of understand the call for execution, with his gaze sliding to Jing Yuan and back, but it's not the thing he'd jump to suggest. ]

Rotting in a cell's the best lesson the guy's gonna get, but it's up to them, I guess. If they wanna go with the death penalty, then that's on their hands. 'S out of ours after we hand him over.

[mirristry]

[Phil has been listening to everyone else weighing in, and.... ha ha ha. Ha. Some of these opinions make him visibly flinch, though he doesn't say anything out loud. He truly loves this particular discussion topic, really...

Jing Yuan's verdict especially makes him wrap his arms around himself and just sort of hunch his shoulders, fingers digging into his sleeves.]

... I too believe we should hand him over to the authorities, which in this case would be Central. They can decide what they believe an appropriate punishment for his crimes should be. If... they choose death, then... so be it, but I have no desire to have his blood on our hands regardless of what he's done. Doing anything else would likely build further animosity between humans and wizards, something I don't think any of us here want to see.

[He pauses for a moment, takes a quiet breath.]

Guilt and anger can lead people to make foolish decisions. And while that isn't any sort of excuse for what he did... I can understand well that desire to take revenge.

[annihilator]

[Ugh, this feels like Noble Politics and Malice is so done with those. He's sure there is a right answer somewhere in here, but like hell if he knows what it is. His gut tells him execution is the only answer, but he already said he'd go along with the others.]

Sendin' him to Central for judgment is fine by me. I said I'd go with what y'all want, and that stands. So let them deal with this bastard.

[jorunna]

[ ...This doesn't take so much thought with this suggstions and the others helping out with conditions, really. ]

Hand the dumbass over to Central, please.

[ They're just kind of tired.
"Of the awful guy or the kinda complicated predicament that?"
Yes. ]

[promittere]

[ Once the votes are in and tallied, and the discussion is over, Tatara looks at the white-haired boy. The boy in turn smiles softly, and nods. ]

Thank you, Sage Tatara. [ He speaks smoothly and clear, his voice carrying well across the moonlit grounds of the ruined manor. There's a hint of playfulness in his tone, knowing full well Tatara is no longer the sage, but perhaps he still uses the title as a sign of respect.

He takes a step forward, serene eyes scanning the alien wizards, and smiles. ]

I'll take it from here.